Celebrating Girlhood with Tween Magazine Founder Mary Flenner

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Hi everyone, our guest today is
Mary Flenner, the founding

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editor of Tween Magazine, a
lifestyle magazine for young

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girls that's all about
empowering age appropriate

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content.
As a mom of three girls and a

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seasoned marketing and content
writer for nearly 20 years, Mary

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saw a gap in what the media
offers to tweens and decided to

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create something different.
Tween Magazine challenges

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today's cultural norms where
girls are often pressured to

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grow up too quickly and instead
embraces childhood.

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Tween encourages girls to be
authentic, goofy, and

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adventurous and celebrates these
precious preteen years.

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And you know we all love a good,
authentic, and developmentally

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appropriate celebration here at
Team IT.

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Mary lives in Cleveland, OH with
her husband and three daughters,

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and we are thrilled to have her
on the show.

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Welcome, Mary.
Hi, thank you so much for having

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me.
Yeah.

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Thanks for being here.
Very excited to talk with you

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guys today.
Yes, thank you.

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SO I guess let's start at the
beginning.

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Tell us the tween origin story
and what inspired you to create

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a print magazine in 2024.
Yeah, so one day my 10 year old

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daughter had seen me reading a
magazine and simply asked if

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there was one that she could
read.

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And so I jumped online, looked
around a little bit and was

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shocked to find that even in
today's world that I, there

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really wasn't an appropriate
option for her.

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So, you know, we had done some
of the more wholesome children's

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magazines like Highlights and
you know, Ranger Rick and those

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are great.
But as they, as my girls were

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getting older, they're kind of
outgrowing those.

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But there wasn't really anything
for that in between audience,

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you know, it jumps up really
quickly to those more teenage

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magazines.
And so I saw that gap and with

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my background in marketing, I, I
think the wheels kind of started

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turning.
And, you know, thinking back to

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my childhood, I knew girls loved
magazines.

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I loved magazines and realizing
that there's so many girls that

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don't read them anymore, it
almost, you know, kind of made

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me sad.
And I knew there's this

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opportunity and this whole
world.

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They don't know about how cool
they can be.

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But I, I really got excited by
the idea of kind of putting my

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own spin on it and kind of like
revamping them for today's

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world.
So, you know, making them a lot

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more, a lot different than the
ones I grew up reading, that

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we're all about looking hot and
learning to kiss boys and flirt

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and, you know, which celebrity
looked better in a dress and

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things like that.
So.

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So yeah, I really wanted to kind
of bring back the magazine for

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today's World and the magazine
that I would feel good giving to

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my own daughters.
Yeah.

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So what topics did you want to
address right out of the gate?

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Yeah.
So I really wanted to kind of

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push back against the, you know,
what's happening culture now

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with girls on TikTok and, you
know, they're going those

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Sephora tweens and makeup
routines and skin care that they

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don't need.
And I think girls are just

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growing up way too fast.
And so I kind of wanted to just

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pull back and celebrate the
everyday girl, make it about

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embracing childhood, being
silly, being a kid and just

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almost kind of like pumping the
brakes like this is all

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happening too fast.
You guys don't need to be doing

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this, You know, learning these
sexy choreographed dances on

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Snapchat and TikTok and
Instagram and all those

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pressures.
And it was all just happening so

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fast.
So I feel like it was, you know,

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I really want it to be a way to
get back to that more

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traditional childhood like like
I had in the 90s.

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Mary, what did the magazines
that you read when you were a

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tween, when you were 11, what
did they get wrong about you?

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Oh boy, so I love them but they
were not appropriate for me as

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well I would say So I read Bop,
Teen Beat and those were all

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like the hot guy posters like
Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Devin

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Sawa, Andrew Keegan and.
They great trifecta there.

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Yeah, I would say what they got
wrong about me and other girls

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is, I mean, it's for them, you
know, a money maker.

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They know they're playing into
that girls, our boy crazy at

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this age and are idolizing and,
you know, wanting to marry these

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cute boys.
And that's like all you're

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thinking about.
So that it was really just

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playing into that, that that's
all we're interested in.

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And so I think that they they've
just that they put too much

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focus on our, you know, thinking
that I'm thinking about develop,

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you know, flirting with my crush
at age 12.

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And I think they're just putting
so much pressure on those

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romantic relationships at such a
young age where I probably

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wouldn't have been thinking
about it so much.

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But when you're reading articles
saying, you know, Are you ready

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for your first kiss?
Then maybe you're going, Oh, you

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know, I'm ready for my you know,
it's, it's kind of in your head

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now that, oh, girls my age are
thinking about having their

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first kiss.
Am I ready?

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Where maybe if it was about how
to build a better lemonade stand

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or like a door to door, but you
know, some kind of neighborhood

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business I could have started,
maybe that's what I would have

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spent more time thinking about.
So I think they were just so

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singular on, OK, you're thinking
about boys, how to impress them,

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how to look good and how to look
like these celebrities.

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And my goodness, you know, the
pressures with body image and

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wanting to be as thin as the
girls, of course, in the

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magazine that I think every girl
could relate to growing up

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breeding.
I think it's something that they

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all got wrong.
And now they're realizing, you

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know, 20 years later.
It's been a slow, slow change

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and shift over the years, but
it's still something I think

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they're struggling with finding
that right, you know, balance.

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The editorial was totally driven
by the commercial, right?

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Where the boys are actors in
movies and the skin care is

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products that are advertised,
right?

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And so you now have an
opportunity to do this

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differently.
But how do you do it

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differently?
Because I would imagine you want

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to make money, right?
So like what?

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How does an indie print magazine
stay sustainable without

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lowering its standards?
Yeah, it's a good question.

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Is something I thought about a
lot when we were starting.

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It is that, you know, we include
advertising right now it's more

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limited, but I we are really
deliberate and thoughtful about

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every brand that we're
partnering with.

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So we only want to promote
brands that we truly believe in.

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And I think that that is really
important and that's something

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that our readers value because
they know that they can trust

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everything that's in tween is
something that I really feel

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good about giving my daughter.
So we, you know, I've already

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thought about, you know, what if
this brand approached me or

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something that kind of didn't
align with our values.

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So, so it has naturally worked
out that the brands that, you

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know, they really believe in our
mission and it just, you know,

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it's naturally worked out that
they, they see the value in what

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we're doing and they believe in
it and want to be behind it.

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Are there any dream advertisers
or partnerships that you think

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of when you think of tween?
Yeah, OK.

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So if you used to buy magazines
when you're a kid, I remember

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like the the the print ads with
brands like Steve Madden, like

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Madden girls shoes, Pacific
sunwear.

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So I would love to have like
some really cool brands like

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that.
We've been talking to gab

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watches.
Gab wireless has a lot of

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products that we believe and
we've had them for years.

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So we already are talking with
them.

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But I would love to have those
cool, like classic, you know,

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when I think of the editorial
photo shoots and things like

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that that I grew up looking at.
So.

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So yeah, maybe one day.
Sure, you're on your way.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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You know, it's interesting
because I try to run this

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household in a way where no
advertisement gets in right,

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where our kids don't know about
any brands where.

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And we fail.
And we fail, of course, and it

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comes.
To Fabric talks about Batman and

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Superman and we're like where
did this come from?

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But OK.
It comes through the craziest

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places, but I diapers because it
comes through diapers because it

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comes through the library.
I I try and I do it for myself

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too and for for our family to
just basically to only subscribe

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to things where we're we have an
ad free version, right.

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So I'm wondering, is that
something that anyone has asked

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for?
Has anyone said, Hey Mary, you

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know I love the the content for
my kids but I don't want them

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seeing any brands.
Can you make something that just

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is an ad insert for parents or
an ad free option where you pay

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more?
Does that come up at all?

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Have you thought about that?
It hasn't come up at all, I

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think because the brands that
we're choosing are ones that

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most of our readers would be OK
with, you know, if that makes

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sense.
But if it did ever, you know,

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some, I'm sure it's something we
could look at.

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Of course would raise the price
a lot, but, but as a reader, I

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always, I really liked the ads.
Maybe, you know, I remember

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hanging them up on my wall and
they never bothered me.

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I really, I thought they were
cool and interesting.

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And so I think I am trying to
take the best parts of the

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magazine experience that I had
as a kid.

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So I, I think that advertising
will always be a part of it, but

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it is just selecting the right
partners and making sure that

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any of the messaging is, you
know, in that tween, you know,

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aligns with the tween brand.
I like that that's a common

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theme for us.
It's like we can tend to be very

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black and white with the best of
intentions.

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But I do think that having
aligned advertisements is

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probably more realistic than
having no advertisements.

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Yeah.
What has been your favorite

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feature so far?
Oh, that's a good question.

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I got really excited.
I mean, I get really excited

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about all of them, but we
recently did an interview with

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playwright Lauren Gunderson.
And if you aren't familiar with

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who she is, look her up.
She's one of the most produced

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playwrights in America and like
one of the most produced living

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playwrights, which is a really
big deal.

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And so I was like, very nervous
to talk to her because she's

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very cool and brilliant.
And so I did an interview with

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her and she gave so much great
advice.

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And as a writer, it really
resonated with me, you know, so

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she talked to girls about, you
know, what she does as a

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playwright, how she gets ideas,
things like that.

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And then following that, we have
a feature on how girls can write

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their own play and put on put on
an outdoor play.

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So cool.
She was really cool to talk to

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and just give so many great
tips.

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And you know, she's, she's been
promoting us and so she's just

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been like such a great person to
connect with.

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What do you think has been your
daughter's favorite feature so

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far?
I think they felt pretty cool

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about the We had the
singer-songwriter from The

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Voice, Britney Cartelli, and
then we had learned to write

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your own song again.
Kind of like pairing them up

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with, you know, having an expert
tell about, you know, teach

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about a topic and then how girls
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So they really liked that one as
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They they get excited about just
like the did you know, facts,

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They'll help the, you know,
everyday they'll be like, oh,

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this is one for tween.
You know, here's a here's a fun

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fact.
So they like just, you know,

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those little things like that
are the crosswords and the

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there's a would you rather that
they love coming up with.

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So, so they get excited about
just like those little fun, you

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know, little tidbits that I
think the kids have a lot of fun

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with.
That's so cool.

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Yeah.
You've talked before about how

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your daughters are your Co
creative directors, right?

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How has Tween adapted your
family culture as you have

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started?
This Yeah.

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So they they really are.
They've been involved from the

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beginning.
And I love that they have got to

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see every step of the way from
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idea we're going to do this to
creating a website.

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they're my first focus group at
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see, you know, that I really do
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I really value their opinion.
I listen to what they say, you

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know, if they don't like the
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something feels weird and fake
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mom and I, you know, so I think
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confidence like, oh, wow.
Like, I know, you know, I have a

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good opinion.
And I even if though I'm a kid,

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you know, I still, you know,
mom's listening and I know what

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I'm talking about.
So, yeah, you know, we've gotten

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busier creating the magazine.
So I think finding that balance

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has, you know, been tough.
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all really excited about.
So they know, you know, I try to

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really be deliberate with my
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I'm going to play with the kids
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computer and get some things
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But I think just, we've had to
really be mindful about setting

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aside that time for them because
it's gotten busier and, you

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know, there's more calls and
just more to do So, but it's

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nice because they are
understanding, you know, like I

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had to run out to a printer and
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And I said, well, I could wait,
but the subscribers are waiting

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for this magazine.
And my oldest goes, no, you need

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to get it to them.
You need to go right now.

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So they, I took them to their
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like, no, you need, we'll drive
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So they're like my business
advisors and totally, yeah.

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So tell us, if you Fast forward
five years, like what do you

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envision for Tween Magazine?
How will you know that it's

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making the kind of impact you
envisioned when you first

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started?
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I think in five years that we
would be in some big retailers.

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I think that we're going to be
in Target.

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I think we'll be in little toy
shops all over and we'll, you

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know, girls that have it are
going to be telling all their

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friends.
It's going to be a lot more

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popular.
It's maybe not such a small

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indie magazine.
We have more trusted

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relationships with some big
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We have so many amazing female
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us.
And what will a young girl feel

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when she picks it up?
Like what?

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What do you really want them to
come away with?

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Yeah, I want them to feel seen,
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And just that like that, you
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everything I'm into.
This is so cool.

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We just had a mom who sent us
her daughter's reaction getting

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tween for the first time.
She said, Oh, I, she said, I

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truly left my video on accident
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made my whole week or month
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reaction.
Like, Oh my gosh, this and this,

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like these are all the things
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And just kind of knowing, you
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it's OK to be how I am.
It's OK to be goofy.

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It's OK to, you know, still play
with dolls or, you know, to be a

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kid and not feel those pressures
of having to pretend to be or,

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you know, acts carry yourself
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So I think that's just that
struggle of that age, you know,

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is you kind of have one leg in
each world, right?

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You're you still are a girl and
you want to well, maybe you want

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to play or you sometimes want to
play with Barbies or But then

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you're starting to feel like you
want to do more independently

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and want to start dabbling in
these things that the older

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girls are doing and do less with
your parents and they're

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starting to feel embarrassing.
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giving messages to both girls
that feel, you know, in both of

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those worlds and just letting
them know that they're, you

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know, if you're feeling hormonal
and crazy, you're not crazy.

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You know, all these things are
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Kind of normalizing that
experience of all that it means

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to be a preteen girl.
I love that.

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I especially love the goofy
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goofy.
I feel like I was on the later

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to mature side growing up and
definitely wanted to be goofy

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longer than some of my friends
and actually grew apart from

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some of my friends during those
tween years because I still

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wanted to be goofy.
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part of the adolescent
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And just enabling and and giving
children permission to play in

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that space and that silly space
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So I applaud you for including
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Thanks.
Yeah, I think a big part of our

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mission is giving kids, giving
girls permission to just be kids

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longer.
I think that's just such a, you

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know, they're growing up so fast
and it's like just pump the

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brakes.
Like you said, celebrating

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childhood.
Just be a kid.

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You don't need to be a little
mini influencer and worry about

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your, you know, online social
brand.

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Just like take all of that away.
Don't worry about those things

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and just be you.
I think like embracing

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individuality is a big part of
the magazine too.

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So we're very, very much about,
you know, being weird and being

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you.
So yeah, cool.

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That's.
Very cool in the family space,

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particularly on social media.
I'm sure you have spent a lot of

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time there recently given what
you're doing and I'm just

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curious, are there anything that
you have picked up on to reach

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families more authentically that
you're seeing either is working

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or you know that you want to do?
Yeah, we're kind of figuring it

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out every day.
I know.

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I think people like to see our
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Like they like to know that it's
a, you know, my girls are

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involved and it's kind of a
family business ish.

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But I have never put my kids on
social media before this.

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I like, I don't include their
names or anything.

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And I'm like, so that was kind
of a big deal for me to be like,

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OK, I never post pictures of
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including them in tween stuff.
And so my thought with that is

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like a lot of times they're in a
photo shoot with many kids.

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I'm not really saying who's my
kids.

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I don't use their names.
I try to still like, you know,

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keep it, keep their privacy.
But yeah, we're so I want to let

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people in and like see the face
behind the magazine.

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But I also, you know, I don't
need to be a star.

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I don't like, want us to be, you
know, So I, I guess I, yeah,

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well, I struggle with that a
little bit.

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Like, that's a tug.
That's a tug of war, right?

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Because in a way, you kind of
are the brand.

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Yeah, exactly.
Tween.

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Tween is not a be.
Forever, right?

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Right.
I mean, 'cause you do have two

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tweens now, right?
But presumably, yes.

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And you'll have another one.
But presumably this will be a

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business for a long time, right?
And you don't want to be no

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longer relevant when your kids
age out of that also.

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So yeah, that's great.
I guess before we let you go, I

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had one question about one of
your features.

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I guess it's a recurring series
called Real Girls Who Rock,

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right?
Can you, can you tell us about

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that?
And could you also tell us what

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your feature would look like if
you were one of the real girls

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who rock?
Oh boy, that's a good one.

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So Real Girls who Rock is a
spotlight on real everyday girls

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who are doing something amazing,
whether it's, you know, our

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first one had a Taekwondo champ
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They could start a club, maybe
they're a skilled musicians,

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things like that.
So if you're listening, we are

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they're always taking
nominations so you can send them

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in to us.
But I think it's really

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important again, with, you know,
how we're trying to go against

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all those traditional, the
traditional media that I grew up

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reading and not spotlight what
celebrities are wearing and, you

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know, them getting their mail
and how they're just like us,

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but trying to inspire girls
with.

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You know, girls that are like
them and kind of showing them,

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you know, look, she did this
amazing thing.

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You could too.
And so, yeah, we featured

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Taekwondo champ, we featured in
an environmental activist.

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And in our issue 3, we have a
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And issue 4 coming out in the
winter is, is going to be

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featuring an entrepreneur who
started her own line of dolls.

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So we have, we have so many,
those have really been taken

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off.
We've had a lot of cool people

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reaching out.
So we have some like some

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wrestlers who are going to
feature some girls who play

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hockey.
So we really want to show girls,

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you know, who are going against
stereotypes, you know, things,

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you know, putting themselves out
there, starting businesses,

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showing kindness through
volunteering and things like

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that.
So I did forget that when you

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ask what my daughter's favorite
is, a lot of the girls really

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like the real girls who rock and
I, they always, I think that was

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their favorite in the first one.
So there's so many different

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features in it.
It's almost they're really,

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they're really jam packed.
But they are.

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They're great.
That's what everyone really

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likes those a lot so.
Very cool.

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And then so if if you had a real
girls Who Rock profile on you,

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what are the strengths and
quirks that got you here boy?

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So is it me when I'm a, when I'm
young, when I'm like 10 or me

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now OK or now or?
Now, Yeah, well, what are what

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are the things that actually
it's a it's AI think you nailed

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it, which is what are the things
that happened or that that you

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that inspired you during those
formative years that allowed you

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to take this jump and do
something bold like you're doing

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now?
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I think it would be my headline
would be something like girl who

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like embraced her weirdness and
like learned that it's OK to be

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weird.
I was always, I was called weird

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a lot and like crazy.
And I'd be like, why are you

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saying crazy?
And they'd say, well, you're

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funny.
And I'm like, well, then just

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say that.
Don't call me.

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So I learned over the years to
kind of embrace like who I am

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and that I sometimes have big
kind of crazy ideas, but this

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was one of them.
And people love it and my girls

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love it.
And I'm reaching moms out there

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who are looking for something
similar.

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So I think it was, you know,
embracing who you are, embracing

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your talents as, you know,
cheesy as it could sound, I have

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always loved writing.
And so I really, you know,

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focused on that and what I love
to do.

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And to me, it was a dream job to
be like, OK, I would love to run

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a magazine.
Like, could I do that?

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Like, that would be amazing.
I would love to have that job.

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So, you know, I just, I kind of
gave it to myself.

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Like, OK, I'm gonna gonna give
myself the title.

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I'm gonna see if I can do this.
Even if, you know, just give it.

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Yeah, give yourself the chance.
So.

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Way to reclaim crazy.
That's great, yeah.

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Yeah, I was crazy, the best
friend.

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But yeah, it was definitely very
quirky and creative and probably

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kind of loud as a kid.
Speaking of differentiated

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features, you started a pen pal
program early on at Tween as

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well.
Can you talk a little bit about

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that and what you intend for it
and how it should grow?

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Yeah, the pen pal program is
something I'm so excited about.

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I've it's like I've tried to
start pen pal programs like for

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years through like the PTA.
I'm always like, what about a

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pen pal program?
I love the idea of a pen.

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I love the idea of connecting
people and I just think there's

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that there's so many great
things about it.

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I love getting girls back to
writing letters, connecting with

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a friend that you can be open
with and share about your lives

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and also learn about where they
live and what might be

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different.
And so it is.

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We get a lot of great feedback
about our pen pal program for

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moms and and the girls involved.
So so yeah, right now we have

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girls all over the country, a
lot of girls in Canada.

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So we're trying to make as many
international matches as we can.

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So again, with getting scrappy,
I'm trying to like e-mail

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schools and Italy and Spain and
trying to make those

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partnerships so that we have
more, you know, kind of

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interesting matches and you're
not just being matched with

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someone, you know, who lives
around the block.

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So, so yeah, the really excited
about how that's taking off and.

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That was the thing our daughter
was most.

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Excited about?
Yeah.

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Extremely excited to be a part
of the pen pal program.

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Yeah, there's nothing like
getting something in the mail.

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You know, you don't really get
mail anymore.

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And especially kids.
So exactly the magazine's

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exciting, but getting a letter
in the mail from your friend

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and, you know, we encourage
them.

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We we send out kind of like an
informational letter when they

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first join.
And we say we encourage

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handwritten letters.
You know, you can draw pictures.

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You can ask, ask questions, get
to know each other.

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So we kind of give them a little
bit of like, here's what it is,

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since again, it's kind of one of
those things that's almost going

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extinct and here's how you do
it.

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And then we kind of leave it in
the girl's hands after that.

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Very cool, very cool.
Greg, do you have any other?

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No, this has been terrific.
Thank you so much, Mary.

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We are thrilled to have you here
today.

476
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We're thrilled to have you
quarterly in our household with

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our girls reading, following
along.

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And because they're starting
young, you'll have them in your

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audience for more than the tween
years.

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Yeah, that's.
Great.

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Which is exciting.
Yeah, anything.

482
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Any last thoughts you'd like to
share with our audience or where

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they can find you?
And Tween Magazine.

484
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,680
Yeah, so you can subscribe to
tween@tweenmag.com.

485
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,320
We do four issues a year.
Makes a great gift.

486
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Holidays are coming up, so we'll
have our holiday issue out in

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time for, you know, before
December.

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And yeah, you can find
information about joining the

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Pen Pal program inside.
And follow us on Instagram at

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Tween Magazine for Girls.
Awesome.

491
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Thanks so much, Mary.
Thanks for having me.

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All right.
Thanks everybody for listening.

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